Meghan Markle chats to Sophie Trudeau in new Spotify Archetypes podcast

Meghan Markle today revealed she studied for the UK’s citizenship test after meeting Prince Harry, who she claims had ‘no idea’ about some of the answers when she asked him for help because it was ‘so hard’.

The Duchess of Sussex’s star guest on her new Spotify podcast is First Lady of Canada Sophie Trudeau. The friends spoke about the challenges of parenting and being a partner to two famous men in an episode called: ‘Good Wife/Bad Wife, Good Mom/Bad Mom’.

The pair also described the ‘crushing guilt’ of being a mother in public eye. Meghan also revealed she threw a pool party this summer for Mrs Trudeau, where the two ‘giggled like schoolgirls’ and drank wine on the terrace of her Montecito mansion.

On episode eight of her Archetypes show, Meghan also chatted to comedian Pamela Adlon, best known as the voice of Bobby Hill in the animated comedy series King of the Hill, who became a British citizen in 2020.

Meghan then revealed that she prepared for the ‘Life in the UK’ test, although LA born and based Ms Markle is not believed to be a British Citizen, having reportedly ‘abandoned’ the idea after Megxit in 2020. Experts said that she did not live in the UK for the three years required to get spousal citizenship after marrying Harry in 2018.

She said: ‘That citizenship exam is so hard. I was studying for it [the test] and I remember going: “Oh my goodness”. I would ask my husband: “Did you know this? Did you know this?”  And he would say: “I had no idea”. But she did not expand on whether she ever took the test – or just studied for it. 

Meghan would have needed to pass the Life in the UK Test before applying for citizenship, and it costs £50 per try. The test asks questions about UK laws and the legal system, working in the country, its culture and other details of life in the UK. It can also contain questions about the British Royal Family, which she remains a member of.

The latest Archetypes episode also revealed:

  • Meghan’s mother Doria pops up halfway through the podcast when she Facetimed her daughter; 
  • There was a long chat with Sophie Trudeau, who is one of Meghan’s closest friends. There were rumours that Justin Trudeau and his wife Sophie were consulted about Megxit, before members of the Royal Family and even the Queen. 
  • Meghan described Sophie as a ‘humanitarian mother’. She said: ‘Sophie has become a dear friend and someone who I think is so emblematic of strength that comes from embracing your humanity, even in the face of all these family and home and public pressures’;
  • Meghan revealed how she and Prince Harry start the day by looking after their children – from prepping Archie’s lunch box to feeding their three dogs and making breakfast for her family, which is ‘very important to her’;
  • The Duchess of Sussex went on to say she ‘bows down’ to women who go through the same morning rush as single mothers and added ‘it is so hard being a mum’;
Meghan has revealed she studied for the UK Citizenship Test - and Harry strruggled with some of the answers - but it has long been reported that she did not end up taking British citizenship

Meghan has revealed she studied for the UK Citizenship Test – and Harry strruggled with some of the answers – but it has long been reported that she did not end up taking British citizenship

Meghan Markle's star guest on her new Spotify podcast is First Lady of Canada Sophie Trudeau. Pictured in a photo booth in 2016

Mrs Trudeau's husband Justin, who has been Canada's PM since 2015, has urged his country to welcome the Sussexes, but not all are convinced

Meghan Markle’s star guest on her new Spotify podcast is First Lady of Canada Sophie Trudeau. Pictured together in a photo booth in 2016

The Duke, 35, and Duchess of Sussex, 39, bought the sprawling nine-bedroom and 16-bathroom mansion (pictured) in upscale Montecito, Santa Barbara, for $14.65million. It appears they and the Trudeaus enjoyed some recent pool time when the two mothers were 'giddy like schoolgirls'

The Duke, 35, and Duchess of Sussex, 39, bought the sprawling nine-bedroom and 16-bathroom mansion (pictured) in upscale Montecito, Santa Barbara, for $14.65million. It appears they and the Trudeaus enjoyed some recent pool time when the two mothers were ‘giddy like schoolgirls’

The £50 UK citizenship test Meghan said was ‘so hard’

The UK citizenship costs £50 to sit

The test consists of 24 questions, which you have 45 minutes to answer

Questions are based on 3,500 facts about British history, culture and values – based on the official handbook for life in the UK 

You must get at least 75 per cent of answers correct – 18 out of 24

If you fail, you can resit as many times as it takes but you must pay again each time

A study by Essex University found that around two thirds of Brits would fail the test 

There are more than 30 centres around the UK where you can take the test

If you pass, you are awarded with an official citizenship ceremony which involves an oath of allegiance 

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In total, it costs around £1,330 to apply for British citizenship  

According to the explosive biography Finding Freedom, when she began dating Harry in 2016, Meghan was urged to take advice from Sophie Trudeau by her friend Jessica Mulroney, who deemed the two women ‘now had a lot in common’ because of their famous husbands. 

They would become close pals and confidants with Justin Trudeau urging his country to welcome the Sussexes after they emigrated from the UK in 2020. 

Meghan admitted Sophie ‘used to send me little meditations during my pregnancy’ and voice notes ‘of encouragement’, adding: ‘I’ve gone to her over the years for advice’. 

Introducing her friend Mrs Trudeau, Meghan calls he a ‘humanitarian mother’ who she met in Toronto at the city’s fashion week around seven years ago, when she was starring in Suits.

She said: ‘Sophie has become a dear friend and someone who I think is so emblematic of strength that comes from embracing your humanity, even in the face of all these family and home and public pressures, keeping that sense of self while holding up the mantle of what comes with being a parent and a spouse, that’s a full plate’.

Ms Markle and Canada’s First Lady became friends when Meghan was filming Suits. The Duchess of Sussex became part of Toronto’s ‘platinum elite’, which also included their mutual friend Jessica Mulroney.

They posed together cheek-to-cheek on a Toronto rooftop bar in 2016 at the exclusive Soho House.   And it was Mrs Trudeau’s husband, who has been Canada’s PM since 2015, who urged his country to welcome the Sussexes after they emigrated from the UK. They would later move to LA.

Opening the podcast, Meghan describes a day of laughter and fun at her Montecito mansion with Mrs Trudeau. Their children played in the swimming pool on pizza-shaped floats while they drank wine ‘on the terrace’ and were ‘giddy like absolute schoolgirls.’

Meghan said: ‘This wasn’t our day of being the wives and moms, all perfectly quaffed with updos and pearls and demure smiles.

‘This was the other version of us both with wild curly hair and swimsuits and loose linen and huge belly laughs. Big cuddles with our little ones, quiet whispers of girl talk on the terrace, giddy like absolute schoolgirls. We were just having so much fun.’

Sophie Trudeau attended the funeral of the Queen with her husband, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, on September 19, pictured. Meghan described her as a friend

Sophie Trudeau attended the funeral of the Queen with her husband, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, on September 19, pictured. Meghan described her as a friend 

Meghan went on to reveal she was talking about an event with Sophie, whom she has known for a number of years before joining the royal family.

Elsewhere, she described how she had ‘gone to Sophie for advice’ over the years, after meeting ‘seven years ago.’  

According to Finding Freedom, Meghan became friendly with the First Lady in 2016. 

Meghan had previously met her husband Justin Trudeau at the One Young World summit in Ottawa that year, with the pair pictured deep in conversation.

‘Sophie had given up a career in television, where she had been working as a correspondent on CTV’s eTalk, to take on a more formal role alongside her husband as he hit the campaign trail,’ the authors claim.

‘The pair became fast email friends, Meghan was interested to hear how Sophie had successfully made the move from an entertainment news correspondent to much-beloved First Lady, all while skillfully dodging controversy.’

A close friend of Trudeau and a former cabinet member told Scobie and Durand: ‘Sophie would have made it clear that every single aspect of Meghan’s past would be dug up, so the most important thing was to be honest with Harry—tell him everything.

‘Sophie’s a smart woman and the perfect brain for Meghan to pick. She knows how difficult something like this is. Few people can relate or truly sympathise. For those of us that knew about their friendship, it was amazing to see the change in Meghan that followed.’

Earlier that year Meghan and Sophie were pictured in a series of photobooth images with Jessica taken at the Canadian Arts & Fashion Awards (CAFA) at Soho House in Toronto – where Meghan lived while filming Suits.

Back in January 2020 there was speculation that Justin Trudeau may have given a cryptic Twitter clue about Meghan and Harry’s departure from the Royal Family.   

Diplomatic sources claimed Mr Trudeau and his wife Sophie were consulted about the decision late last year, before members of the Royal Family and even the Queen.

Prince Harry and Mr Trudeau have always looked to enjoy each other’s company at events such as Commonwealth commemorations. The two have also encountered each other on multiple occasions through Harry’s Invictus Games for disabled servicemen.

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Can you pass the UK citizenship test?

You must get at least 18 out of 24 questions (75 per cent) to pass the test 

1. Which of these UK landmarks is in Wales?

A) The Giant’s Causeway

B) Loch Lomond

C) Snowdonia

D) The Lake District

2. Which flower is associated with England?  

A) Shamrock

B) Rose

C) Daffodil

D) Thistle

3. Who built the Tower of London? 

A) Oliver Cromwell

B) Henry VII

C) William the Conqueror

D) Henry VIII

4. Who was supported by clansmen from the Scottish highlands and raised and army in 1745?

Bonnie Prince Charlie

Robert Burns

Oliver Cromwell

Kenneth MacAlpin

5. Which two houses fought in the Wars of the Roses?

A The House of Chester

B The House of York

C The House of Lancaster

D The House of Newcastle

6. What did Sir Frank Whittle invent in the 1930s?

A Radar

B Hovercraft

C Jet engine

D Ballpoint pen

7. Who was given the title of Lord Protector?

A Charles I

B Charles II

C Winston Churchill

D Oliver Cromwell

8. Several Church of England bishops sit in the House of Lords.

True

False

9. Under which king did the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms in England unite to defeat the Vikings?

A William of Orange

B King Alfred the Great

C Henry VIII

D Robert the Bruce

10. Where are the Crown Jewels kept?

A At the House of Commons

B At the Tower of London

C At Buckingham Palace

D At Windsor Castle

11. Which sport can be traced back to the 15th century in Scotland?

A Golf

B Tennis

C Football

D Rugby

12. In which country of the British Empire did the Boer War (1899-1902) take place?

A Netherlands

B Falkland Islands

C Gibraltar

D South Africa

13. What was Edward Elgar famous for?

A He was a musician

B He was a tennis player

C He was a comedian

D He was an actor

14. Which flag has a white cross with a blue background? 

A Irish

B English

C Welsh

D Scottish

15. In which year did the Allies comprehensively defeat Germany in World War Two?

A 1912

B 1918

C 1939

D 1945

16. Who is the patron Saint of Wales?

A St David

B St George

C St Patrick

D St Andrew

17. Who was the first man in the world to run 1 mile in under 4 minutes?

A Sir Chris Hoy

B Sir Roger Bannister

C David Weir

D Mo Farah

18. Which of the following is not a valid UK coin?

A 1p

B 5p

C 25p

D £1

19. What sort of church is the Church of Scotland?

A Catholic

B Baptist

C Presbyterian

D Methodist

20. What king was defeated by Oliver Cromwell during the Civil War and hid in an oak tree before escaping to Europe?

A Richard III

B Charles II

C James I

D Henry IV

21. Complaints against the police can only be made by writing to the Police Complaints Commissioner.

True

False

22. When is St David’s day?

A 1st of March

B 23rd of April

C 17th of March

D 30th of November

23. What stories are associated with Geoffrey Chaucer?

A The Cambridge Tales

B The Eastbourne Tales

C The Canterbury Tales

D The London Tales

24. Where does the Fringe festival take place?

A Fraserburgh

B Edinburgh

C Inverness

D St Andrews

‘Hi Mommy!’ Doria Ragland makes a cameo in Meghan Markle’s podcast Archetypes after FaceTiming while she was recording – as Duchess praises her mother for ‘juggling so much’ while raising her

Meghan Markle’s mother Doria Ragland made a surprise cameo in her Spotify podcast today. 

In a soundbite shared by Meghan on the podcast, which was releaed this morning, Doria could be heard FaceTiming her and speaking to her daughter for a few seconds as she was recording the show from her Montecito home in California.  

The Duchess of Sussex said the spontaneous moment made her reflect on the way in which Doria, who lives close by in Los Angeles, has supported her throughout her life. 

She also joked that they still do a handshake she came up with when she was eight, and said that being mother can be ‘the most thankless unpaid labor there is.’

Meghan Markle's mother Doria Ragland made a surprise cameo in her Spotify podcast today. Pictured in 2018 before the royal wedding

Meghan Markle’s mother Doria Ragland made a surprise cameo in her Spotify podcast today. Pictured in 2018 before the royal wedding 

Meghan played the soundbite of the FaceTime call during the podcast, explaining Doria had interrupted her recording a few weeks beforehand by calling her. 

‘So, a few weeks ago while I was working on this very episode, my mom called. She actually FaceTimed,’ she said, before the clip played. 

In the outtake, Meghan could be heard saying: ‘Oh sugar, my mom’s FaceTiming me.’

She then picked up the phone and could be heard saying: ‘Hey, Mommy,’ with Doria replying “Hey, how’s my girl?”.

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‘Hey, I’m okay, I’m hanging in there,’ Meghan could be heard chuckling, before adding: ‘It’s okay, I’m recording right now. Do you want to see?’

‘We’re just doing some podcasting. Can I call you back in a little bit,’ she was then heard asking. 

‘It was just your run-of-the-mill mother-daughter, conversation,’ Meghan can be heard saying in a voiceover playing midway through the soundbite. 

‘I have on a smiley face,’ Doria could be heard saying, with Meghan repeating ‘I have on a smiley face,’ and ‘I love you.’

Meghan took the occasion of her mother calling her while she was recording to bring up something they have been sharing since she was a child.  

‘My mom, she did this thing I do. You may have heard this clicking sound that she was doing,’ she said. 

‘All right, gang, my mom literally just pulled out a reference of what I came up with as a cool handshake to do with her when I was about eight, which was snap scissors, cut chicken,’ she said, laughing. 

‘I’m 41-years-old. And she’s like, “okay”,’ she laughed into the microphone. ‘It’s great. And it just put me right back into the past thinking about my childhood and our little quirks together. 

‘And then with this episode on my brain, it got me thinking about all the ways my mom supported me, how she took care of me and the house and herself and how she just juggled so much,’ she went on. 

‘The amount that women carry, that they navigate – it’s immense, and it’s often the most thankless unpaid labor there is,’ she added. 

‘There’s no union, there’s no lunch break. There’s nothing like that. At home, women just work really, really hard,’ she added. 

‘A lot of that work is born out of necessity, but so much of it is also born out of expectations,’ she said. 

 

Meghan Markle’s ‘morning rush’: Duchess details her ‘whirlwind’ Montecito routine – including prepping Archie’s lunch box, feeding their three dogs and making breakfast for her family, which is ‘very important to her’

Meghan Markle has shared a glimpse of her ‘whirlwind’ morning routine on her latest Spotify podcast episode.

The Duchess of Sussex, 41, who is currently living in her $14million mansion in California, alongside her husband Prince Harry, 38, and their two children, Archie, three, and Lilibet, one, released the seventh show from her Archetypes series today.

Speaking to one of her guests, American actress Pamela Adlon, in the episode ‘Good Wife/Bad Wife, Good Mom/Bad Mom’, Meghan revealed what mornings are like for her and the Duke of Sussex in their Montecito home. 

Describing her ‘morning rush,’ Meghan revealed how she and Prince Harry start the day by looking after their children – from prepping Archie’s lunch box to feeding their three dogs and making breakfast for her family, which is ‘very important to her’.

Meghan Markle (pictured with Prince Harry and their children) has shared a glimpse of her 'whirlwind' morning routine on her latest Spotify podcast episode

Meghan Markle (pictured with Prince Harry and their children) has shared a glimpse of her ‘whirlwind’ morning routine on her latest Spotify podcast episode 

The Duchess of Sussex, 41, who is currently living in her $14million mansion in California , alongside her husband Prince Harry, 38, and their two children, Archie, three, and Lilibet, one, released the seventh show from her Archetypes series today (pictured)

The Duchess of Sussex, 41, who is currently living in her $14million mansion in California , alongside her husband Prince Harry, 38, and their two children, Archie, three, and Lilibet, one, released the seventh show from her Archetypes series today (pictured) 

‘So the morning rush I’m sure it’ll only get more chaotic as they get older,’ Meghan said.  ‘But for me, it’s, you know, both monitors on for the kids to hear them, always up with Lily, get her downstairs, then a half hour later Archie’s up.’

She went on to say she ‘start[s] doing his lunch box right before he’s up while I have her, getting her a little nibble, my husband’s help me get him downstairs.’ 

Meghan added: I make breakfast for all three of them. It’s very important to me. I love doing it. For me it just feels like the greatest way to start the morning.

After breakfast, the mother-of-two moves to feed the family’s dogs, and revealed Harry and her recently got a third pet.

‘And then it’s like feed all three of the dogs – because we just got another dog – and then it’s get Archie out the door for school and, you know, but it does, it feels like a whirlwind,’ she said.

Pamela then said she hopes Prince Harry contributes to this demanding morning routine and ‘kid time.’

‘Also, I hope dad is being a good contributor to like the time, the kid time,’ she said.   To which Meghan replied: ‘Oh my husband? He’s great.’ 

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